The main reason I rewrote the Navbox class was to make this kind of thing possible. A character navbox, oh joy. By no means is this complete. I put important characters like Doc Scratch and Jack Noir in the "other" section because I couldn't think of a good proper section to put them in, and "other" sections are grody, yo. If you have a better idea, go for it.

Also: The footer should be for player characters only. Or something. --Pigbuster 09:21, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Contents 1 Removal of the "worlds" section 2 Character Order 3 SyMBOLS 4 Scratch Kid's Title Colours 5 Enormous Box 6 ghostyTrickster 7 Shirt/God Tier Symbols next to titles instead of names? 8 Assistance requested 9 Color change-up 10 Optional category 11 Meenah 12 Semi-protect 13 Supporting Characters 14 Uracil Trolls 15 Guardians 16 Just a thought I'd be ready to deliver - respond freely! 17 Lots of changes in mind 18 Post-scratch agents

Removal of the "worlds" section Edit

Having a navbox of locations like LOWAS and the kids' rooms and such is a really good idea, but it should be a separate template. The character navbox should be specifically for characters only, otherwise it starts to get rather cluttered. No offense intended!

What would be the BEST thing would be to have a big adventure-specific "Homestuck" navbox which has separate sections for characters/locations/concepts/etc. Unfortunately, this wiki would need to have the collapsible navbox class in order to do such a template properly, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't. An admin would have to take care of that, I think. --Pigbuster 04:27, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Character Order Edit

There have been two edits now by (presumably) two different people of the order of the exiles. Namely, putting the Windswept Questant/White Queen in the second slot. I believe this is because the WQ controlled Rose using the device in the egg ship, and Rose is in the 2nd slot. The problem with this is that the Exiles are in a different section of the navbox, and only the order of the characters in the first section should be dictated by the kids' order, because they're all in one section and it makes sense to do it that way.

However, I don't think the Exiles should be put in the first section. Not yet, anyway. In the story so far, the Exiles are mostly off in the future doing their own thing. Their only connection with the kids has been through those devices and that hasn't really had any impact on the story other than making the kids act all goofy and Sim-like for a bit. Because of that separation, they should be in their own section, and, because of that, should have their order dictated not by the kids' order but by the order in which they themselves were introduced, i.e. WV > PM > AR > WQ. Now, if as the story continues, each Exile becomes significantly more involved with their respective kid, then yes, they should be moved to the first section and reordered accordingly. Until then, it ought to go by order of appearance.

I'm not sure what reason the editor(s) had for changing the Midnight Crew's order (use the summary box for fun and profit), but I have a reason to keep it that way: Clubs Deuce is pretty much the comic relief character, and in a 4-man-band, the general order is Leader > Lancer > Muscle > Goofball, so having Clubs be in the last slot makes sense. Pity that the order doesn't go Black > Red > Black > Red, though. --Pigbuster 23:03, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

SyMBOLS Edit

I'm just wondering, if we included the Mind symbol next to Terezi, who is not in the Godtiers, shouldn't Dave, Rose, Jade, Kanaya and Tavros also get their corresponding symbols?

I agree, it makes perfect sense after all. User:JordanTH 05:05, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Scratch Kid's Title ColoursEdit

If we're going with the tentative Titles for Jane and Jake, mightn't we just colour their names in? After all, we've seen both of their text colours - Nanna's writing in the Sassacre book, and Jake's writing on his note to John. It fits with the scheme that the rest Kids and Trolls have, too. ashdenej 17:19, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Enormous BoxEdit

Why has the navbox suddenlly gotten huge? It's doubled its spacing both horizontally and vertically, making it partially unreadable. Has somebody misformatted something, or was this a deliberate decision?

Fixed it. There were too many links in the footer, so I extended it to two rows. --DarthEinstein 19:31, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Deleted file: Navbox_screenshot.png

Could someone specify whether my change to a single-line version broke the navbox? It looks just fine on my end but I'd like to make sure. --Pigbuster 21:02, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it did. It's wider than the space of the page (it overlaps with the "Recent Wiki activity" and that stuff on the side). Was that screenshot taken from the "Compare Selected Revisions" page? If so, then check out the template on the page itself or on one of the character's pages. --DarthEinstein 21:16, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure whether anyone's aware, but it's still huge and obscured. MisterMan413 21:18, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll edit it back. --DarthEinstein 21:25, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

It looks fine on my computer, making me think this is a windows/mac thing which is... annoying. Oh well. --Pigbuster 22:11, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Urgh. Somebody's done it again! ashdenej 16:49, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

E: Reverted it.

ghostyTrickster Edit

I don't like including it; The name's used for all of a few pages and it makes the upper section completely unbalanced. Aesthetics trumps precision in this case, as far as I'm concerned. Nevertheless, I'll ask if anyone has anything to say about it rather than just making the edit. --Pigbuster 19:01, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to come up with a new way to format all of this so it's balanced slightly more. You can see my attempts here. I'm also trying to simplify the formatting. It may be useful to come up with our own version of wikipedia:Template:Navbox subgroup to take care of it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:23, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and redid everything. I had to convert from Wikitable to HTML, but I think it ended up ok.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:41, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Shirt/God Tier Symbols next to titles instead of names? Edit

Aesthetically I just don't like seeing a symbol hanging over a new line, like for John or Jade. Anyone else think it'd look better if the icons were by the titles instead so it'd be more evened out? Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/bRaTU.png

Just throwing the idea out there, because it looks sorta lame as-is. 128.239.174.41 06:11, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Could someone please do this, as well as putting the character names ABOVE their handles and titles? I think it would make the navbox look a lot neater, and make it easier to scan through 108.36.130.81 05:41, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

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Assistance requested Edit

So I'm trying to replicate this new Navbox on my wiki for purposes involving my Sburb Session role play, but I'm trying to figure out how to make it so that the top row (where the Kids is) can include six people instead of four and then forcing the other two down to the bottom.

http://boxedinn.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_BoxedInn_Characters

There's an example of the current Navbox I have, which was also replicated from this Wiki. As you can see, the six human characters are all in the same line instead of just being four there. I would like to know how I could possibly replicate these results.

http://boxedinn.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Navbox_Subgroup_BoxedInn_Players/doc

You will see here where I tried to do that, but it's forcing the other two human players down to the next row where two blank spaces for two remaining players is included. I don't want it to do this and was wondering if someone could lend me a hand with this.

You may contact me through my e-mail if you wish. It's VashtheKitty@yahoo.com or snaps_echidna@hotmail.com if that one doesn't go through for some reason. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Seeing as I made the template up, I'm gonna go ahead and fix it for you.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:25, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Oh Ryulong responded here, I tried to edit the page myself but it was semi-protected so I couldn't there (made no edits there before) however I left a message on the talk page explaining two different solution (oh and while writing this it seems Ryulong hasn't updated the page, I guess same problem as me). The Light6 23:47, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed up the code that I wrote up so it works up on the BoxedInn wiki. Although having all six players on one line does not look like it will work that well.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:05, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Color change-up Edit

Anyone think this is interesting/preferable to its current state? I've just recolored the titles based on the color of the aspect rather than the player.

http://imageshack.us/f/202/colorsr.png/

203.101.239.241 08:01, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Looks pretty swish. I'm for it -- Sorceror Nobody, 13:19, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

That would be a pain in the butt to encode. I've set things up so everything is just based on the player name. Switching things to have one line match their title's thematic color is not going to work. That, and you're going to have to come up with a whole new set of colors on Template:Color to get it to work.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:30, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the way I did it was really sloppy and took a while. Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying. I guess it'll be harder to implement the yet-to-be-revealed titles? I'm really out of my depth :P 203.101.239.241 05:14, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

What I did when I made Template:Navbox subgroup Homestuck Players was I coded everything to report to the character's chat color. What you are suggesting is that first we come up with the codes so we can define things by the mythical element to impliment on Template:Color so we can go {{color|light}} and get that orange for the Hero of Light. And then I have to come up with a whole new set of parameters just to cover these new additions.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:03, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that all sounds like magic to me. I was just suggesting something like: |title1=<span style="color: rgb(67, 121, 230)">Heir of Breath</span> which draws strength from being a very simple-minded approach :P But yeah, its not very practical or neat. I'm guessing the time and effort needed outweigh any benefits that the change might have, but I thought I'd put it out there. -- 203.101.239.241 08:01, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it'd be nice. But we would have to come up with 12 new values for Template:Color and then I would have to modify the other template to add new coding to change one set of colors.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:10, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, well I'm here to help. I think I understand the color thing so just give me the word and I'll do what I can. -- 203.101.239.241 09:57, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Well, you need to pick out the hex colors for the roles rather than the 255,30,128 or whatever you had. And then I'll figure out how to code the template around.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 16:50, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Done. Hope it helped. -- 203.101.233.212 22:48, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

All right. I'll go ahead and change the template coding.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 17:20, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey undyingumbrage link shows it having a lowercase letter then a uppercase letter, though uu is lowercase for both letters. Is there a way so it is uu not uU? 72.93.251.221 20:50, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

The handle is still written as "undyingUmbrage".—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:21, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Optional category Edit

I believe the exclusion of the category if the page is used outside of mainspace should be possible to automate with something like

{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}}||[[Category:Homestuck Characters]]|}}

...which should basically check if it's being placed on a mainspace page, and only include the category if it is.

I would ordinarily implement it immediately, but there's a difference between it being optional and being outright enforced to be present or not. That said, it makes sense to force it not to use the category outside of mainspace, because only mainspace pages should be in the category.

I'll leave it open to discussion for a bit, then implement it -- Sorceror Nobody, 23:10, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well the category is meant for well, Homestuck Characters, which is why I originally removed template from user pages using it. However I implemented the optional category for the sole purpose of allowing it on user pages with it not being in the category. So I say that if you can automate the process so people who aren't aware can use it on their user page without creating problems. The Light6 01:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

MeenahEdit

Seeing as she just made more than a brief appearance, she's probably more important to the story

Because we've added uu and UU to the troll mix, and considering one of the most coherent theories is that they're the pre-scratch trolls of Alternia, I suppose the new Pieces troll known as "Meenah" should be put under the same category

I was going to edit it, but I just wanted to know if it was jumping the gun before I went ahead and changed the template

Jazztasm 14:58, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

She is already added, just not in the main section. Also for technical reasons adding a new character to the main section of the template is really difficult, I mean someone already tried it thinking it was simple, have a look - http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template%3ANavbox_Homestuck_Characters&action=historysubmit&diff=84109&oldid=82158 - the edit made no difference to the template. The Light6 15:18, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

So, should we just leave it alone for the time being

Jazztasm 17:30, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

It appears that Meenah is going to be part of some other group of characters, so it does not currently make sense that we should include her in the main troll section. Also I really don't feel like adding another set of 12 parameters onto the navbox subgroup template I wrote up. If anything, we can just use another instance of the subgroup for the post-Scratch troll group once the other 10 are revealed.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:24, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protect Edit

OK I just added a month long semi-protect because at the moment people keep swapping Aranea's title from "??? of Light" to "Hero of Light" back and forth constantly. The Light6 20:54, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Supporting Characters Edit

There are two things I want to address: how is a supporting character defined, and why, according to the layout, is "Dirk's Bro" the supporting character for Dave? That makes no sense. Wouldn't the supporting character for Dave be Lil' Cal?

76.24.186.182 23:03, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Dirk's Bro isn't listed as a supporting character for Dave, rather Dave has no supporting characters while Dirk has two of them and so for formatting reasons Dirk's take up both the spots for Dave's and his own supporting characters.. The Light6 00:32, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, that clears things up for me

76.24.186.182 03:14, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Uracil Trolls Edit

Are we going to make a page for this now, such as there is for the Pre-Scratch Trolls, or are we waiting for uranianUmbra and undyingUmbrage to be officially revealed?Aepokk Venset 03:08, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we need a page for them, there is only the two of them and assuming their statements pan as accurate there will only ever be the two of them in their session. Basically it would be really redundant. The Light6 03:50, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Guardians Edit

Should Jake's guardian be Brobot, or is that not really a thing? It also seems like if you have Roxy's Mom as a guardian, then Dirk's Bro should swap positions with Lil Cal. 124.148.224.23 04:01, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

ChainsawMurderer53 – In my my dream, I'm the Hero. It's me. TALK – HURR DURR HERPA DERPA DERPA DERP DERP. The entire box is fucked.

Just a thought I'd be ready to deliver - respond freely! Edit

Lots of changes in mindEdit

creativeLightheart [CL] began chatting randomly at 22:39

CL: Well, okay, there's only one or two things, but it might make the navbox look a little odd, and I just want to see what people would think if I went through with this.
CL: See, it occurred to me recently that despite there being a number of symbols for random characters, the only ones seen in the navbox were of the players.
CL: I just wanted to see what it would look like, and the results were actually kind of cool, if not a little unbalanced considering not everyone has something next to their name. (Example: The Exiles alongside the White King and Queen's logos.)
CL: Still, I thought readers might like it, which is why I'm asking anyone out there if they'd have any objections to me making it official, at least for a few hours to get a general reaction.
CL: If someone up high has a problem with it or this has already been shot down before, I'll forget the whole thing, but I'll probably post it by midnight or so.
CL: Oh, yeah, and I was thinking that because of Homestuck: Act 6 Intermission 4, we might change Caliborn's "colour" a bit. It would look something like this: uu - undyingUmbrage. It is canon, after all.
CL: So whatever you guys think, let me know soon, and let it not be said that I didn't try to get a second opinion! n("/)n

creativeLightheart [CL] stopped chatting randomly at 22:45

While I agree that all the character symbols would probably look cool, I feel it would also bloat the template more than it currently is, so for the moment I would have to say to leave them out for now.

As for Caliborn's colour, while the green is canon, the half-grey/half-green isn't. Given that the green is supposed to be the beginning of him becoming English, and English is already on the table and using the green I would say leave Caliborn as his dark grey for the moment. - The Light6 (talk) 05:00, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

creativeLightheart [CL] began chatting randomly at 24:07

CL: Man, you know how to make it at the last second - I was literally just about to click the Publish button when I heard my email go off. O.0

CL: I didn't think about the English thing, obviously, so thanks for reminding me about that.

CL: And if you say it shouldn't be, I guess it shouldn't be. I'll admit, it looked awkward even when I was doing it. :/

CL: Thanks for putting in your advice, but just in case the people change their minds, I'll keep this in my Sandbox. It didn't take that long to edit, but even so, I can't easily let go of my programming achievements.

CL: So yeah, thanks for swaying me from the path of misinformation yet again, and I'll try not to do this stuff in the future. (^_^)7

creativeLightheart [CL] stopped chatting randomly at 24:12

Post-scratch agents Edit

I was thinking: would it be necessary to include post-scratch Jack and DD in the infobox? They wouldn't need to be made into separate entries, just added briefly in parentheses or in some sort of addendum in the existing categories.

PS: I have no idea why this is showing up as a subtopic. Might have something to with the formatting of the post above, but I don't know for sure. Anybody know why?

--YTguy (talk) 05:33, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

It was coming up as a sub-topic because it was a lower sub-heading than the previous topic, to be specific, this was using a level 3 subheading when it should've been using a level 2 subheading. Of course that would still cause the problem because the previous convo topic was using a level 1 subheading, and you really aren't supposed to use level 1.

But on the topic, I had the same though as you when I was writing up the recent disambiguation policy proposal. So yes, we should do it, but we should probably clean up and figure out how we intend to disambiguate all the agents firsts (that can be discussed here I guess: Forum:Disambiguation titles). - The Light6 (talk) 07:03, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

You might consider something like "Jack Noir (post-scratch)" or "Jack Noir (pre-scratch, post-scratch)". --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon (Other Talk) 15:03, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Part of that is why I think the disambiguation needs to be sorted first. I like the second because it makes it clear which Jack Noir is which from the linked text, however I don't like the main Jack Noir text being left unlinked. Or like this: "Jack Noir (pre-scratch, post-scratch)" but that causes redundancy which people might try to (mistakenly) "correct". There was previous discussion of having a generic Jack Noir page, it would just describe the basic temple version of Jack and list all the different Jacks, sort of like a fancy disambiguation page. If we did have that page it could be the main link. Also I think we should possible think about avoiding the use of pre- and post-scratch because of the fact we still have 3 Jacks counting the post-Scratch troll Jack (Spades Slick). So it could be more like this: "Jack Noir (A2, B1, B2)". - The Light6 (talk) 15:27, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

That idea could work, and it would make it easier if, say, another Jack page needed to be created in the future (like for the cherubs' session, for example). Alternatively, one could make a standard disambiguation page to be put in the unlinked text's place. --YTguy (talk) 19:33, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, here we are. I agree with the generic Jack Noir page idea, while it's debatable whether or not B1 Jack should have his own page or not. Frankly, I think it's a big odd to suggest giving B2 Jack his own page while leaving B1 Jack on this "generic" Jack page. One choice of an article name for B1 Jack is "Bec Noir", though something like "Jack Noir (B1)" would probably look better and be more functional. And, of course, I do think all A2 agents should not be merged in any way, seeing as they were created as the Midnight Crew in a separate story before they were agents. So… as far as the navbox goes, are we suggesting that we do something like put "Hegemonic Brute (A2, B1, B2)" for every Derse agent and get rid of the "Midnight Crew" section? Because that would require reformatting, but avoid redundancy and make the navbox much cleaner. ambiguouslyAndrogynous 13:56, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

My links above are a bit mis-leading, let me just update them... done. Basically B1 Jack would continue to have his own page, there would be a separate generic Jack page which would replace the current disambiguation page. But yeah, while "Jack Noir (post-scratch)" should be moved to something like "Jack Noir (B2)", for page disambiguations the page of higher importance should get the default name. The question of which one is higher importance is another question entirely, is it B1 Jack for being the Jack most featured in the story and the major villain for part of it, or a generic Jack page explaining the role throughout the various sessions? I would argue that B1 Jack is of higher importance. Really we could ramble on for ages about this, and not get to the point about how they should be handled in the navbox. So yeah I think I am going to write up topic on the forum about it. - The Light6 (talk) 14:09, December 21, 2012 (UTC)