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Content from the god tier nomination has been archived due to the fact that much of it rested on the new information provided by Hussie regarding death judgment, which was subsequently split into the conditional immortality page.
- Comment: I think we should add the new info from Hussie's news post, and then we should have it up as the new featured article in time for December. Aepokk ∀ulpex 03:29, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Support: I think this is a great idea, but as of right now (Nov 17) I have not seen the news post in the god tier page yet, and it has been about 9 days since that fascinating information has been converted to the wiki. The part on rose's death literally says "Rose Lalonde was mortally wounded by the Condesce after she attempted to avenge Kanaya, and thus her death was judged Heroic". At this rate (another 9 days of nothing) the article will not be prepared by November. Revitalysis 02:33, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Support: Just updated the powers and abilities section - rearranged it into sections describing immortality separate from other powers, listed each god tier permanent death as a separate case. Is this good enough for everyone? Aepokk ∀ulpex 22:01, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Support Support: Read article and am satisfied. I will begin messaging the site's major contributers to garner support for the page. Revitalysis 22:27, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Support: It really is about time we got the FA going again; now I think about it, December would've been the next one even if we'd started it back up as soon as the gigapause ended. So we get to not look stupid for not having immediately resumed :P And with the added details, God tier will be a worthy choice -- Sorceror Nobody, 20:32, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Support: I agree, it's a very thorough article and Hussie's recent updates make it all the more relevant. ConcreteSunshine 16:56, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Support: See above. Ylimegirl – Hero of Hope – 23:03, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I think we should (if possible) highlight the (Im)mortality section in it's feature on the front page, as the gt article is very long and I have no doubt that mostly everyone who has come to mspawiki since rose's death has gone to the article and seen none of hussies update, became dissilusioned, and left. We should definitely somehow make it very clear that that article has the new stuff in it if we want people to think it's worth clicking.
- Also, perhaps info about the general nature of Sburb's recognition of heroic/just? e.g. Sburb recognized vengeance as heroic to prevent players from becoming OP rather than moral reasons, so Just/heroic is interpreted in context of game fairness in addition to morals. Or how sburb determines intent by actions rather than thoughts. Noting those little rules would make a big difference on how much readers would appreciate the article, as they are currently more worried about how god tiers in the future might die rather than the ones already dead. Perhaps even adding a paragraph/section for known mortality mechanics, separate from the chronicles from moralities throughout the story?
- Things like this very slightly deviate from the formal tradition, but I think that it should be done regardless, because the readers are the ultimate priority of this site, and these deviations are quite reasonable, entirely canonically accurate, and would still flow well with the rest of the gt article. Revitalysis 23:50, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I think it may actually be warranted to consider splitting off god tier death judgment into its own article. We have about a week to go, so it's just about viable. Perhaps you'd care to sandbox something? I'll also take a look at it, probably tomorrow -- Sorceror Nobody, 00:05, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
EDIT: I've started a discussion over on the article talk page -- Sorceror Nobody, 00:37, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
- Support: For all the reasons already said. _☮__ƒelinoel__
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- Comment: I have started the proposed conditional immortality article in my sandbox. If this is completed soon, I will then make the article and nominate it. Please bear this in mind over the next few days if you wish to support specifically what is currently just a section of the god tier article -- Sorceror Nobody, 18:16, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Even though I nominated the god tier article myself, your sandbox looks very well-written so far, and I'd be willing to shift my support to your new article for December. It'd certainly help make the GT page less bulky. Aepokk ∀ulpex 19:12, November 24, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment support:I think this draft looks promising and would definitely consider supporting this new page instead. However, I think it needs a little more justification to stand as a page on its own, possibly going into Hussie's news post on the subject in a little more depth? Sporkaganza (talk) 11:42, November 25, 2014 (UTC)<
- Comment: I've added a bit more depth of what he discussed in the news post. I don't think we can add much more than that without it becoming a downright rehash of the post, so I hope my additions satisfy you -- Sorceror Nobody, 19:35, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
Okay so it's not actually an article just yet, but it's nearly there. I plan to create the page tomorrow unless I get any objections, so I think I can safely open this as a nomination now. Obviously this will not mean the page doesn't need refining, but the core content is now sufficient, I think -- Sorceror Nobody, 19:35, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
EDIT: Split complete. The above link now goes to the actual article, and I have edited god tier accordingly -- Sorceror Nobody, 17:26, November 26, 2014 (UTC)
- Support: You certainly have my vote, you've expanded on my initial reworking of the god tier resurrection descriptions in a way that is significantly more thorough while remaining compact enough to be readable. In addition, making this new page allowed you to tie in other related concepts, so there would be a place to explain them in detail where there wouldn't be on other pages, and I hadn't even thought to include these concepts. Given the page is up to speed by the 1st, my vote for this is completely secured. Aepokk ∀ulpex 19:55, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Should we add something about the weird flashy visual effect that English had on the god tier clock in Intermission 2? Seems similar to Jake's revival, could be linked to his powers and immortality. Aepokk ∀ulpex 19:59, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
- That's all the kind of thing that comes under the "Very few details on this subject have been explored so far in canon" sentence, in terms of the various facets being fundamentally connected. If you think you can pull together a concrete statement or two on the matter, be my guest, but tbh I'd be impressed if you can.
Also, note to self, that sentence may need reworking to specifically mention that it relates to the connectivity of the facets. Indeed, the cherub section overall may be better reorganised to be a preamble for the whole related concepts section, before the subsections. Hmm -- Sorceror Nobody, 20:11, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
EDIT: Done. So... I guess I've impressed myself? idk -- Sorceror Nobody, 17:12, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Support:I had trouble deciding which article I'd rather see up. God tier, or this, ultimately I decided that I liked this one more, and why not put a brand new article in as the featured article. On an unrelated note I am surprised that one one uploaded those pictures of dead God tier players before =p —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whohoohuwhu (talk • contribs) 03:38, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
- Support: Looks great. That's really all there is to say on the matter. Sporkaganza (talk) 13:19, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Support: I like this article as well, perhaps even more than the God Tier one. Ylimegirl – Hero of Hope – 17:16, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Doesn't change my support of the page, but we should absolutely find places on the wiki where we could link to this, now that it has been made. Aepokk ∀ulpex 21:37, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Conditional Support: I think that the article is now ready for featuredom, but it has one fatal flaw: it neglects kanaya's (biological)(un)conditional amortality. User:Revitalysis 02:00, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think that needs to be addressed here... we don't even really know anything about it, and the concept is controversial among the players, Kanaya insists she is not "undead" and even if she were that doesn't mean that there are any special conditions that need to be met to kill her, or if it does we don't know about them. Whohoohuwhu (talk) 06:34, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
- We have no suggestion that being a rainbow drinker is a facet of paradox space, rather than just a jadeblood biological trait -- Sorceror Nobody, 14:50, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose: The article is too young and he still need some discussions and cleaning to really deserves being a featured article --Jpae20 (talk) 03:20, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
- Article age has no bearing on suitability. And if you think it needs cleaning, please do indicate what exactly should be cleaned. It's practically a motto for me that criticism is always welcome, as long as it is constructive! -- Sorceror Nobody, 14:50, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe cleaning was a wrong word I chose (Sorry for that) but... what i mean is the page needs more examples to became comprehensive to people that finished the comic like now (Like the pages leading to certain events). Also, it is needing more images relating what lead the character to the death.
- And what I mean by being too young is because to leave some time to the editors pass in the page, see that some stuff is missing, need to being put there, find a way to let the ideas more dynamic but at the same time easier to understand. I like the article, put I feel is not the right time to being put as a featured article, since something can change easily in the months s is in the front page. Jpae20 (talk) 15:14, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, let's take a look at your points...
- If by "examples" you mean MSPA links, then yes, we do need to add some more of those. We have two days to get it done, which is enough. If by examples you mean the deaths... Aepokk has added neutrals, so we don't have any more to be added there. As for images, the page absolutely does not need more images in the body, but yes, the gallery needs some expansion. Again, two days should be enough to add to that. To be exact, we need death pictures for the remaining (judged) cases, and also pictures to show the causes of death for every case. Since we have three lists of god tier deaths, this will not prove difficult.
- All pages can change at any time. That is not and never will be an argument against a page being featured. Pages can always be improved; there is no such thing as a perfect page. The FA accolade only ever really comments on the state of the article at the moment it is featured. Indeed, a past FA could well later become terrible (though of course we very much hope not!) and it would not automatically have FA status removed just because of that. If the FA were a case of "this article is great, everyone go home, we finished it", then featuring an article would cause it to stagnate, and that's the last thing that anyone wants to happen.
- Obviously, I'm biased, but I feel the article is already one of our most comprehensive yet comprehensible on the wiki. It was pretty good from the start, in the content I pulled from god tier. Then it got improved as I rearranged and rewrote it into its own page. Then it was improved again as I expanded the related concepts. Then again as I shuffled the Meenah bit up to the top of the page, and the cherub mating etc. into the top of the related concepts section. And then Aepokk has added the neutral judgments list. It's been broomed a lot in its short life, and while there is always more room to broom, I feel confident that it won't need any further substantive structural changes for a while unless Hussie actually provides us with more content (as he did to precipitate the article creation in the first place) -- Sorceror Nobody, 17:54, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
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